House Fireheart

Sam Chupp and Cynthia Armistead talk about the polyamorous aspects of their relationship and work out the latest version of their agreements.

General

::In 2006 by Cyn

And then we’ll figure out the technical difficulty.

I think the important issues can be stated in the “covenant,” leaving any niggly stuff to be explored over time or for “care and feeding” sorts of things, should we wish to create them. We needed more document the first time, as we needed more process, because we were learning a great deal about each other and making sure we were using the same words to mean the same things.

What I’d like to see is a pretty simple statement of our commitment to each other that we can show to new people. I don’t expect them to agree to it or sign off on it (after all, they aren’t parties to it), but if they can’t respect it, they’ll know in advance that we aren’t people they should get involved with. If someone becomes a new SO, develops a serious relationship with one of us, it might be worthwhile to work out such a written commitment with that person (if he or she wants one).
Because we’re like that, we’d probably still have the exposition stuff that goes into greater detail about why some things are as they are, how we arrived at our agreements - but that isn’t “required reading” or anything. It’s just thereĀ for those who are interested in reading it.

::In 2006 by Cyn

How about approaching this differently this time? Rather than coming up with our agreements first, we start with our individual needs and boundaries, then their intersection. As new people come into our lives, we could ask them to contribute their individual needs and boundaries, and then work out how they intersect with us, rather than presenting them with a document that seems closed and “done.” What do you think?

::In 2006 by Sam

Well, folks, here it is. We’re working on another edition in earnest.

I have shared this document with numerous people - some of them have been people I’ve been interested in romantically, some of them have been just curious outsiders, some are poly folk trying to figure out what is important to them.

Nearly all of them have commented on how incredibly complex the document seems, and how daunting it is to sit down to read it.

Yeah, it isn’t sexy writing, it isn’t compelling and persuasive.

And although I want to clarify the document, I have to say that the document itself has been something of a filtering tool.

If you’re interested in a closer relationship with me and you don’t even have time or inclination to read the document, then well, that says something. Yes, it takes time and patience to get through. But it’s worth it in the end.

I have uncovered a lot of potential problems in potential relationships for the future as a result of this document. And I have had a few people get through it no problem and are still there, interested, at the end.

It’s not perfect, much of it is no longer relevant to our current situation, but the document has been very, very good to me. It is a good part of my overall “Slow Poke Poly” thought process.

I look forward to making it even better in days to come.

::In 2006 by Cyn

Wow. We’re at it again.

It’s going to take a while to translate the current version into the wiki. And might I say I really, really hate learning yet another markup language unique to the wiki? Thank you.

But it does make a good collaborative editing tool, so it’s worth the effort.

In general, I just wanted to say that I want to make everything simpler. Yet, as I read this thing again, I’m remembering very vividly why each part was included. I recall the circumstances that arose, for us or those we know, because of the lack of certain explicit agreements. Some things are clear between me and Sam, and we had assumed would be obvious to anyone with two neurons to rub together, but obviously aren’t.

Assumptions cause trouble. Trouble makes hurt. Hurt is not loving. Hence, spelling each thing out, which makes for verbosity.

But surely, there are things that can be made simpler. We don’t have young children now. Childcare and custody concerns are no longer issues for us. My health has become more of an issue. How will those things balance out? I suppose we’ll see.

::In 2006 by Cyn

If you’re into that kind of voyeurism, pull up a screen. You’ll want to check out our original agreement, either all at once or split up in wiki form. Both versions include introductions by Cyn and Sam, which will be updated in the wiki as we rewrite the document.

(We did not include a few private provisos, and will not be publishing them. They remain private. It is to be expected that anyone would have such private agreements.)

Please feel free to comment, and know that we will listen to anything said honestly and respectfully in the same spirit. If we weren’t open to feedback, we wouldn’t be going through this process publicly.

Namaste,
Cyn & Sam

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